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Dec 04 2007

Immanuel & Islamabad

A Meditation on Isaiah 9:7


The “increase” of Jesus’ domain, we are told, will have no end. So chew on this: Christ’s kingdom is not merely eternally existing, but eternally expanding. The rule of the Holy One infinitely and exponentially spreads and grows and conquers.


The dimensions of Christ’s domain—though universal and absolute from the divine perspective—are greater and more glorious in 2007 than in 1907. From the historical angle of God’s redemptive purpose, there is an amazing and unstoppable progress to the spread of the Gospel around the world.


For two thousand years, the Holy Spirit has been applying the affects of the Atonement at an alarming rate. The global advance of the Church is nearly complete. The Great Commission will soon become the Great Completion. And Immanuel will return to feast and dance with his Bride upon the New (and ever-expansive) Earth.


So every Christmas we get closer to that Day. Every Christmas we get nearer to the fulfillment of the Great Commission. Every Christmas we move forward, not backward, in the great global conquest of our Christ.


Because of the manger, there is a mission. Because of the Cross, there is a cause. And because of the sovereignty of our King, it is certain. All peoples will be reached. Worshippers will arise from every tribe and tongue (Revelation 5:9).


And His purpose is as serious as it is sovereign. Which means: His followers refuse to wallow with their Godless counterparts in the seasonal frivolity and waste. Especially at this time of year, they set their faces (and their finances) like a flint toward Jalalabad, Juba, and Jakarta. They invest deeply and personally in the furtherance of the Kingdom. They scream “Get behind me, Satan!” to the endless materialistic allurements of nicer clothes, newer cars, or neater golf clubs.


Christmas calls us to the Caucasus. The manager Babe beckons us to Baltistan and Baluchistan. The Incaranation trumpets us triumphantly towards Ingushetia.


Watch out, Islamabad: Immanuel is coming to town!

~~posted by Jack

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Aug 20 2007

Muhammed & Mother Teresa: Affirming the Oneness of False Religions

Paper dolls, anyone? You remember those things. One piece of paper, folded over many times, cut into the shape of a doll. Then, Voila! You spread out the paper doll figurine to reveal not one, but many dolls. Well, sort of. It’s still one piece of paper. At the end of the day, whatever minute differences or blemishes show up among them, each doll shares remarkably identical features. Separate but inseparable. Branches of the same tree.

Roman Catholicism and Radical Islam. Animism and Atheism. Daoism and Dr. Phil. What all religions apart from Christ crucified have in common far outweighs any drastic differences between them. There stands a fundamental threshold of reality at the foot of the Cross which divides all religions and philosophies—all possible views of the world. Truth or error (1 John 4:6). Wisdom or foolishness (1 Corinthians 3:18). Blessing or cursing (Galatians 1:8).

“You are of your father, the devil…” (John 8:44). And so Jesus unmasks even the Bible-wielding religion of the Pharisees, and necessarily lumps them into the same category of Satanic deception and perversion that marks the nature of human religion since the Fall.

A theologian’s theologian, Paul himself displays an almost unnerving simplicity despite his admittedly stalwart and sophisticated education. Speaking of the digression of mankind, both Jew and Gentile, he makes simple, sweeping statements: “[T]hey became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God…” (Romans 1:21-23).

Following suit, the greatest thinkers of church history reveal patterns of thought humbly submitted to the Biblical deposit. For instance, in the Fourth Century, St. Augustine summed up all of humanity into one of two cities: the City of God or the City of Man. Over a thousand years later, Martin Luther fervently reduced all ethics and all religions into one of two theologies: the Theology of the Cross or the Theology of (human) Glory.

For us post-Enlightenment moderns living in a culturally pluralistic and educationally specialized age—with nuanced courses in Comparative Religions—this can be a hard pill to swallow. Speaking in such definitive and simplifying terms almost smacks of naivety.

Yet, I submit that it is fear of the uncouth nature of Truth, shame of Its absoluteness and utter superiority—not intellectual maturity—that inhibits many Evangelicals from espousing such biblical and historical reductionism. What all world religions share in their rejection of the cardinal doctrines of the One Faith—e.g., salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone—remains infinitely more significant and defining and consequential than any surface contrasts of culture, history, methodology, etc. At the most crucial points, they unite to expose the essential thread of Satanic origin and intent.

So I close with four points of application for today’s missionary efforts around the world. Can you think of other applications? Please record them in the comments below.

Expect to Encounter Much Confusion. Despite the “unity” of all false religions—precisely because of it—the aspiring missionary can expect to meet the most bewildering combinations and contradictions of beliefs among the people he hopes to evangelize. Since they share a common foundation and essential substance, it is possible for the most bizarre of connections to take place among false religions. For instance, did you know Rick Love estimates that 75% of all Muslims are “Folk Muslims” who consistently practice various forms of animism in addition to—and in open defiance of—Koranic teaching? Or, did you ever notice the obvious superstitious similarity of amulets in Africa, evil eyes in Central Asia, and crucifix’s in Massachusetts? There’s a reason that the first time I saw Muslim prayer beads in Turkey, I immediately thought of the Rosary.

Prioritize Christian Theology in Your Missionary Preparation. Comparative Religions does have a value, but it is a limited and relative value. Knowing the particulars of Hinduism can be extremely helpful, perhaps vital, to an effective ministry in India. And yet, without belittling such religion-specific instruction, utmost primacy must be placed on grasping the fundamental truths of Scripture and the Way of Christ. This is 90% of your educational challenge. Knowing what true religion is, intimately and positively, will become your greatest defense and offense against any false religion. You can afford to be somewhat ignorant about the nuances of Buddhism or Islam or Animism. But you must know the Bible well! It is a disastrous and incalculable tragedy that modern missions so de-emphasizes and so demeans thorough theological preparation. In foolish contrast, many missions would be so giddy over a certificate one might have earned in a course on Islam, while totally ignoring the question of basic doctrinal fitness.

Rebuke the Essential Evil of Every False Religion. Rebuking error—not just proclaiming truth—is an essential, apostolic command for authentic Christian ministry and mission (2 Timothy 4:2; Titus 1:9). And since every religion apart from Christ crucified is indeed a false religion, we must labor not to coddle any such demonic device. In other words, to heck with all this contemporary gobbledygook about Islam being a “cousin” to Christianity, all these attempts to “build bridges” and downplay essential differences for the sake of greater ministry effectiveness. The Judaism of the Pharisees was light years “closer” than Islam; but that didn’t change Jesus’ diagnosis. Aspiring missionary to the Muslim world: there is a way to love Muslims, but hate Islam. Find it!

Be Encouraged: God is Able to Grant Faith and Repentance to Anyone. Remember to marvel at your own conversion! That such a stubborn and self-reliant materialist in America could come to faith is as much a miracle of divine grace as the many cannibals who were saved in the 19th Century South Pacific. Bondage and blindness are but the common denominator of all false religions—indeed, of all humanity in all places and all generations apart from Jesus. Therefore, what incredible hope awaits your pioneer missionary efforts among the Pashtun! All authority belongs to the Christ; and He has devoted all His being, all His power to exercising it among every people under heaven!

~~posted by Jack

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Aug 15 2007

Testimony of an Iranian Martyr

The following paragraphs were excerpted from the testimony of Mehdi Dibaj. He was an Iranian convert to Christianity who endured 9 years in prison for the charge of being an apostate. He ended up dying for his faith.

In jail, Mehdi Dibaj endured 2 solid years of solitary confinement, suffered repeated beatings and mock executions. His wife even divorced him and renounced the Christian faith upon being threatened with stoning. Yet in the face of such hardship, while still in prison he wrote these words.

I have always envied those Christians who were martyred for Christ Jesus our Lord. What a privilege to live for our Lord and to die for Him as well. I am filled to overflowing with joy; I am not only satisfied to be in prison…but am ready to give my life for the sake of Jesus Christ.

In December of 1993, he wrote a defense submitted to the court of justice. The following is that entire testimony.

With all humility I express my gratitude to the Judge of all heaven and earth for this precious opportunity, and with brokenness I wait upon the Lord to deliver me from this court trial according to His promises. I also beg the honored members of the court who are present to listen with patience to my defense and with respect for the Name of the Lord.

I am a Christian. As a sinner I believe Jesus has died for my sins on the cross and by His resurrection and victory over death, has made me righteous in the presence of the Holy God. The true God speaks about this fact in His Holy Word, the Gospel (Injil). Jesus means Savior “because He will save His people from their sins.” Jesus paid the penalty of our sins by His own blood and gave us a new life so that we can live for the glory of God by the help of the Holy Spirit and be like a dam against corruption, be a channel of blessing and healing, and be protected by the love of God.

In response to this kindness, He has asked me to deny myself and be His fully surrendered follower, and not to fear people even if they kill my body, but rather rely on the creator of life who has crowned me with the crown of mercy and compassion. He is the great protector of His beloved ones as well as their great reward.

I have been charged with “apostasy!” The invisible God who knows our hearts has given assurance to us, as Christians, that we are not among the apostates who will perish but among the believers who will have eternal life. In Islamic Law (Sharia’), an apostate is one who does not believe in God, the prophets or the resurrection of the dead, We Christians believe in all three!

They say “You were a Muslim and you have become a Christian.” This is not so. For many years I had no religion. After searching and studying I accepted God’s call and believed in the Lord Jesus Christ in order to receive eternal life. People choose their religion but a Christian is chosen by Christ. He says, “You have not chosen me but I have chosen you.” Since when did He choose me? He chose me before the foundation of the world. People say, “You were a Muslim from your birth.” God says, “You were a Christian from the beginning.” He states that He chose us thousands of years ago, even before the creation of the universe, so that through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ we may be His. A Christian means one who belongs to Jesus Christ.

The eternal God who sees the end from the beginning and who has chosen me to belong to Him, knew from the beginning those whose heart would be drawn to Him and also those who would be willing to sell their faith and eternity for a pot of porridge. I would rather have the whole world against me, but know that the Almighty God is with me. I would rather be called an apostate, but know that I have the approval of the God of glory, because man looks at the outward appearance but God looks at the heart. For Him who is God for all eternity nothing is impossible. All power in heaven and on earth is in His hands.

The Almighty God will raise up anyone He chooses and bring down others, accept some and reject others, send some to heaven and other to hell. Now because God does whatever He desires, who can separate us from the love of God? Or who can destroy the relationship between the creator and the creature or defeat a life that is faithful to his Lord? The faithful will be safe and secure under the shadow of the Almighty! Our refuge is the mercy seat of God who is exalted from the beginning. I know in whom I have believed, and He is able to guard what I have entrusted to Him to the end until I reach the Kingdom of God, the place where the righteous shine like the sun, but where the evil doers will receive their punishment in the fire of hell.

They tell me, “Return!” But to whom can I return from the arms of my God? Is it right to accept what people are saying instead of obeying the Word of God? It is now 45 years that I am walking with the God of miracles, and His kindness upon me is like a shadow and I owe Him much for His fatherly love and concern.

The love of Jesus has filled all my being and I feel the warmth of His love in every part of my body. God, who is my glory and honor and protector, has put his seal of approval upon me through His unsparing blessings and miracles.

This test of faith is a clear example. The good and kind God reproves and punishes all those whom He loves. He tests them in preparation for heaven. The God of Daniel, who protected his friends in the fiery furnace, has protected me for nine years in prison. And all the bad happenings have turned out for our good and gain, so much so that I am filled to overflowing with joy and thankfulness.

The God of Job has tested my faith and commitment in order to increase my patience and faithfulness. During these nine years he has freed me from all my responsibilities so that under the protection of His blessed Name, I would spend my time in prayer and study of His Word, with a searching heart and with brokenness, and grow in the knowledge of my Lord. I praise the lord for this unique opportunity. God gave me space in my confinement, brought healing in my difficult hardships and His kindness revived me. Oh what great blessings God has in store for those who fear Him!

They object to my evangelizing. But if one finds a blind person who is about to fall in a well and keeps silent then one has sinned. It is our religious duty, as long as the door of God’s mercy is open, to convince evil doers to turn from their sinful ways and find refuge in Him in order to be saved from the wrath of the Righteous God and from the coming dreadful punishment.

Jesus Christ says “I am the door. Whoever enters through me will be saved.” “I am the way, the truth and the life. No-one comes to the father except through me.” “Salvation is found in no-one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.” Among the prophets of God, only Jesus Christ rose from the dead, and He is our living intercessor for ever.

He is our Savior and He is the (spiritual) Son of God. To know Him means to know eternal life. I, a useless sinner, have believed in this beloved person and all His words and miracles recorded in the Gospel, and I have committed my life into His hands. Life for me is an opportunity to serve Him, and death is a better opportunity to be with Christ. Therefore I am not only satisfied to be in prison for the honor of His Holy Name, but am ready to give my life for the sake of Jesus, my Lord, and enter His kingdom sooner, the place where the elect of God enter everlasting life. But the wicked enter into eternal damnation.

May the shadow of God’s kindness and His hand of blessing and healing be and remain upon you for ever. Amen. With Respect,
Your Christian prisoner,

Mehdi Dibaj

He was released Jan. 16, 1994, due to the efforts of Armenian Christian Bishop Haik Hovsepian-Mehr, who himself was killed that same month. Mehdi Dibaj was abducted and killed for his faith just six months later in June of 1994.

Don’t hesitate to read his full testimony, along with other facts about the suffering of believers in Iran and elsewhere, by going to this page. Amazingly, Dibaj was just one of 156,000 Christians martyred for their faith in 1994 according to David Barrett, professor of missiometrics at Regent University (from a Campus Journal article referenced in the article linked to above).

Have you counted the cost? Are you willing to die? Will you pray for suffering saints, and for the victory of God’s Kingdom in all lands for all peoples?

~~posted by Jack

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Aug 08 2007

Bible Translation for a Muslim Audience (conclusion)

Goals

None of these approaches is a perfect solution; but to govern which might actually be employed with the best success, the ultimate goals of the translation must be kept in mind, and their relative importance must be prioritized. There are several goals which must be given a high priority in any translation, including: 1) Accuracy. No matter how inoffesive or how widely read a translation is, to the degree that it is not accurate, it is not accomplishing anything helpful. This basic point must always be kept in mind. 2) Understandability. Even if the translation is accurate, if it is not understood by the target audience, again, it is not accomplishing anything helpful. 3) Discipleship. If basic evangelism were the only goal, a translation which simply glossed over the difficult or controversial terms and topics might have a place. But the fact is, Christians do not just need to be born; they need to grow afterwards. And if their only translation provides the milk but strains out all the meat, they will not ultimately be healthy and well-developed. In major languages, there is often a more literal translation that young converts may eventually “graduate” to; but especially in languages that do not yet have the scriptures, the need for a translation which is substantially accurate enough to provide discipleship for new believers is imperative. 4) Universality. Just knowing the right doctrine is the main priority; but if doctrine is learned in such new and revolutionary terms that the traditional church does not recognize it, a young and needy church may be cut off from its desperately needed support from the worldwide body, because of a mere misunderstanding. To the extent that traditional terms may be kept, therefore, without jeopardizing the understanding of the target audience, it would be wise to do so.

Conclusion

The problem of bible translation for a Muslim audience, and in particular the difficulty which inheres in the phrase “Son of God,” is not a problem which has a simple answer. Nevertheless, the task is too vital not to engage in because it is not easy. None of these issues is ultimately insurmountable, as long as God is on his throne; and many servants have been raised up to labor in just such a difficult field. So how could the Western church come alongside these workers to assist and support them? I conclude with three suggestions.

First, be much in prayer. In this field, as in all other varieties of Kingdom-work, the task is too great for any man: God himself must build the house, or they labor in vain that build it. It is both our privilege and responsibility to partner with our brothers and sisters across the sea, sharing the burden with them in fervent intercession.

Second, the Eastern church needs doctrinal assistance from the West. The center of missional Christianity seems largely to have shifted to the far East – but the church in those regions has not had the long history of doctrinal formulation and biblically-grounded scholarship that the West has had. Translators who know the national culture and feelings of target audiences, and who speak the languages as their mother tongues, must co-operate with exegetes who are familiar with the original languages of the scriptures, and have access to the wealth of resources available today. Inevitably, this will often involve a coming together of East and West for a common cause.

Third, do not immediately write off these translation teams as compromisers because they do not translate “Son of God” literally! Many of these teams are prayerfully seeking the best way to proclaim the same truths which you hold precious, and they need your assistance, not your reactionary critique. The reasons for how they are approaching their task are often too many and too subtle to be seen by a casual observer – but they do have reasons, and legitimate reasons, for much of what they are doing. Seek to understand before you critique. Labor to improve, and not just to point out problems without any alternatives or solutions. In this way, we may all rise up together for the sake of the cause that cannot be stopped, in the service of the King whose dominion will never end!

make sure you’ve read part 1 & part 2

~~posted by Zioneer

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Aug 07 2007

Bible Translation for a Muslim Audience (part 2)

Working Towards a Solution

The tension between the adamant opposition of the largely Western Church to any non-literal translation of the term “Son of God” and the translator’s desire to see the title understood, and not merely rejected because of an immediate, visceral reaction of the intended audience, may be alleviated in part by a couple of considerations: first, this title is not actually the clearest ascription of deity to the Christ that may be found in the New Testament. Biblical-theological scholarship of late has done much to shed light on the typical usage of this term in Jesus’ day, as well as its Old Testament background. In many cases, it is the expected title of the heir of David, who would finally sit on his throne once again (cf., for example, Psalm 2:6-7; II Samuel 7:14); and hence, it has the basic semantical force of “Davidic (or Messianic) King”. Of course, this title also involved a subtle claim to deity, given what we know of the Messiah from the Old Testament, as Jesus himself hinted to the Pharisees (Matthew 22:41-46); but it was a claim that was too subtle for the clear majority of religious experts to realize. To them, Jesus’ preferred Messianic title, “Son of Man,” having clear roots in Daniel 7:13-14, was a more overt claim to deity, and that which finally got him condemned for blasphemy (Matthew 26:64-65). It must be admitted, however, that certain contexts, particularly in the Gospel of John, demand a greater significance to the title “Son of God” than simply “Messianic King,” pointing as they do to Jesus’ unique and eternal relationship with the Father. The second alleviating consideration is this: many of these translators are thoroughly Evangelical believers, holding firmly to such doctrines as the deity of Christ, and laboring, not to obscure this truth, but rather to proclaim it and make it understood by the people among whom they work. This in itself demands patience and understanding from the worldwide church.

What then are some practical ways to attempt to solve the difficulty? A variety have been tried to varying degrees of success, and none without problems. These include: 1) a strictly literal translation philosophy, which has the advantage of being technically correct; but the dual disadvantage of not being understood, and of utterly destroying the willingness of the target audience to read the translation. 2) A simple, one-for-one substitution of the phrase with a different term (e.g. Messiah) has been tried. This has the advantage that the audience is more willing to read it, but the disadvantage that it does not communicate precisely what the original languages communicate. To eliminate the possibility of correctly understanding all the nuances of so widespread and significant a term seems too steep a price to pay for a willing audience. 3) Instead of a simple substitution, an exegetical approach, which seeks to understand the implications of the term in every context and translate accordingly, may be tried. While more satisfactory than the former, this approach attempts a basically impossible task: the reason that “Son of God,” and not another term, was used in each biblical context is that, for whatever reason, that precise term conveyed the exact intent of the author. “Son of God” certainly may have strong overtones of “Messianic King,” but it still has a familial connotation that the suggested substitution lacks. This approach, while it does have its strengths, is still not entirely optimum. 4) An added qualifier to the literally translated term, perhaps in parentheses or italics, with the intention of combating the common misconception, is another possible approach (for example, “spiritual Son of God”). This has the advantage of making the literal expression available, but has two possible disadvantages: first, it may not be a sufficient concession to make Muslims amenable to reading the translation – for some of them, qualified or not, the term itself is simply not acceptable; and second, it may cause other problems, for instance, a diminishing of the importance of what it means to be God’s Son in the Messianic sense (e.g., “He’s not really the Son of God, just a “spiritual” son like everyone else). However, in certain contexts, given a thorough knowledge of the culture and a meticulously chosen qualifier, this approach may have better results than any of the others. 5) The approach of either giving a literal translation in the text with footnotes and introductions which “exegete” the term, or a non-literal translation in the text with literal footnotes and introductions, is likewise a very valuable approach. Ideally, this will be used in conjunction with one of the approaches above (particularly in combination with number three, with which it gains an especial potency).

to be concluded tomorrow (don’t forget to read part 1)

~~posted by Zioneer

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Aug 06 2007

Bible Translation for a Muslim Audience (part 1)

Current Needs

It is virtually indisputable that the last great frontier of the world missions movement involves the the various unreached peoples of Islam. It is equally clear that a necessary part of the labor involved in reaching these Muslim peoples is the translation of the bible into their own languages, so that they may read and understand it. But this is a much more complicated task than it might appear at first glance; for a typical Muslim is so conditioned by his culture and worldview that the merest hint of a variety of seemingly innocuous terms will immediately prevent him from even opening a book in which they may be found, let alone giving it an unbiased reading. Unfortunately, many of these terms have a well-established tradition in the Christian history of the major languages used by Muslims; and even in the smaller languages, the task of finding an equivalent for the terms of the original languages of the scriptures that is not needlessly offensive, but nevertheless communicates the proper idea, is quite a difficult one. These problems may not just be ignored. If Christ is ever going to have his worshipers among those people groups that are even today almost entirely Muslim, they must have access to an accurate and understandable version of the Bible. This involves both the revision or retranslation of the bible for a specifically Muslim audience in the major languages, and entirely new translations in the smaller languages.

Unique Problems

The task of translating for a Muslim audience has unique difficulties, which other translators do not face, or at least not to the same extent. Not only are Muslims typically very antagonistic to Christianity and Christian doctrines and terms, but they also have very wrong conceptions about what Christians actually mean when they use certain terms and expressions. The point of a translation for a Muslim audience is not to eliminate the first type of opposition – it is to get to the place where that type of opposition can actually occur! In other words, as long as Muslims are objecting to their misunderstandings of Christian doctrine, they will not be able to object to the truth of the gospel itself. It is inevitable that, when the gospel is understood, there will be some who object. But it is nothing short of a tragedy when the typical objections are based on misconceptions, or when the gospel is never even given a reading because it is packaged in a way that needlessly provokes emotionally-charged reactions. In an area where Islam is largely nominal, 90% of these problems may be taken care of through superficial means. Putting a dark green cover with an Arabesque border on the translation (the Muslim’s holy color), instead of the traditional black (the typical color of Orthodox Christianity’s bible); calling it the “Holy Scriptures” instead of the “Bible”; using Arabic spellings of names familiar to Muslims (e.g. Ibrakhim instead of Abraham); and other similar, inconsequential concessions can make worlds of difference in how a translation is received. In other places, to the extent that Islam is more aggressively followed, these changes become less effective. Of course, these changes do not involve the actual translation of meaningful terms in the Bible. But in many contexts, some of the actual translation will have to be done with a Muslim audience in mind. This is the point at which many Evangelical Christians understandably become uneasy. They have grown to love the traditional terms and phrases, because they have associated them with the truths that they hold so dear; and they cannot help but think that a different translation involves a denial of truth, to some degree, for the sake of currying a wider readership. This is in fact a danger, but it is often misunderstood or exaggerated by well-meaning Christians. The point of a translation, after all, is not to follow tradition blindly (although tradition is not lightly to be dismissed, either), but rather to take the meaning which inhered in the original languages, and to make it understandable to a person who speaks a different language and has a different worldview. When tradition stands in the way of that goal, it cannot be followed with servile allegiance. An exemplary case involves the translation into a certain language of the Greek word “to baptize”. The traditional term in this language, which has been well accepted for hundreds of years, has the literal meaning “to genuflect” (i.e. “to cross oneself”), or “to christen”. It is also a term that Muslims despise. In a retranslation of the scriptures into this language, for a Muslim audience, this term will have to go, and a more literal, less offensive equivalent will have to be found. But the price is invariably some degree of skepticism from the national Christians who are well-established in traditional Christian terminology. The most infamous of this kind of problem, and no doubt the most difficult to find a workable solution to, is the translation of the Greek phrase, “the Son of God”. This is one of the most volatile Christian phrases to a typical Muslim, who has always adhered fervently to the non-negotiable tenet of Islam, that “Allah has no son,” and who has been taught by the Koran and the mullahs that when the Christians say, “Son of God,” they mean to say that God had physical relations with Mary. Furthermore, any attempt to translate this term in any way other than strictly literal is often met with stiff opposition from Christians. To them, the title is a clear testimony to Jesus’ deity, and any dynamic translation of it involves an implicit denial, or at least a minimization of Jesus’ nature as very God.

to be continued

~~posted by Zioneer

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